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matty348

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What kind of speeds for up/downloading should I be getting on my local network? I have a wireless g router which my pogoplug is connected to and a JBOD which is plugged into the pogoplug. I Usually see speeds around 100 - 400 KB/s but have seen up to 1 MB/s on a few large file transfers. Should I be seeing better transfer speeds?

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August 13, 2011 8:38 AM

ok i dont know that much when it comes to KB/s, MB/s, to Kb/s, Mb/s speeds
Bytes to Bits per sec

Because I do know that the internet provider (AT&T) that I have uses Mb/s and I personally have the 6.0Mb/s speed.

And my Wifi router is just like everyone elses were wired says 100Mb/s and wireless says 54Mb/s

on average I have seen the Windows task manager hover around 10% to 12% of the 54Mb/s peaking at around 50%. very rarely going above that. Only on transfering videos have i really seen above 50% actual transfer speeds.

Now thats just the wifi part

doing a speed test on my iPhone though the wifi to the internet. I get 4.83 Mb/s speed download. which seams to work just fine with the pogoplug. I know that paying for 6Mb/s speed and getting 4.8Mb/s to 5Mb/s is realistic. Meaning you will never actually get 6Mb/s.

Think about it this way the router capable of 100Mb/s (wired) and 54Mb/s (wireless) is going to out shine just about any internet provider out there. especially if the internet is only providing around 6Mb/s and I have heard up to 24Mb/s speeds. and you will never ever reach the top end of either one you pick.

So in the end go with the fastest you can afford and you'll still be happy. I would like to have the 24Mb/s. but I really can only afford the 6Mb/s which I can watch netflix and stream music and play online games and not have any problems with speed.

Even the pogoplug doesn't seem to bad when I get the pogoplug to work. In my own wifi bubble I get streaming movies and music just fine. now outside my wifi bubble it's not so much as can the internet speeds handle it but can the pogoplug handle it, which I have come to find out (NO) to movies any which way you look at it.

I hope that helps and not just made things more confusing.

August 15, 2011 8:38 AM

INSIDE your local network, you should be seeing speeds that top out according to your slowest bottleneck.

it is conceivable that if everything is perfect, you will attain up to about 15-45 megabytes per second which is about the most you will get with gig networking and fast hard drives on BOTH ends of the conversation. keep in mind the Pogoplug hardware is not very powerful. it;s specs are that of a very low end computer and 128-256 mb of ram isn;t going to buffer alot of data no matter how you slice it.

In my setup, I get about 15-23 megabytes per second when reading from my USB 7200 rpm drive to a fast powerful client machine. writing to it is a little slower.

Now if you are only connected via 100 mb networking, I would not expect speeds to exceed 8-10 megabytes per second as the networking is the bottleneck. Wireless connected, you will probably top out at 3-5 megabyte per second. 54 mbps is effectively 5.4 megabytes per second and that is the top speed, not the average.

Seems like when they designed this solution, they expected you to populate the drives attached to other machines instead of directly attached to the pogoplug. Streaming doesn;t require alot of bandwidth(500k-1mb) which is why it works reasonably well for many of us even over a 3g link to our cell phones.

you should be getting better than 400k-1 mb speeds though. is your client and pogoplug wired or wireless? if you plugged the JBOD directly into a computer what speeds to you get? I assume its USB 2.0.

August 15, 2011 9:58 AM

My pogoplug is directly wired to my router and my client is wireless. The JBOD has both USB 2.0 and esata connections the USB is connected to the pogoplug but when I do large data transfers I plug my computer directly into it via esata. With esata and see around 40 - 50 MB/s but of course thats esata and not USB. I can check the USb transfer speed when I get home today but it still has to be faster than what I'm getting through the network.

August 15, 2011 10:27 AM

Yeah if the wireless is only capable of top end 54mb/s which bit to byte conversion simple 8 bits to a byte gets you 6.75MB/s.

Which most Internet speeds is claiming around an average 6MB/s

I know that att uverse claims top end 24MB/s speeds. So at that point wireless would be to slow but you gotta think when did you ever actualy get the top end of you internet. 6MB/s is more like 4.5MB/s actually reached for me and what I have seen.

August 15, 2011 11:18 AM

your bottleneck most likely will be the wireless-it;s the weak link in the chain.....i have often tried to copy files directly to my cell phone over wireless and the transfers tend to time out even if I am 5 feet away from the router. there is a reason why they never do firmware upgrades over wireless, there is a likelihood of timeout or interruption.

with SATA and newer 7200 rpm drives with big caches like the WD Black or Blue series, you can get speeds around 120 mb per second over SATA.

USB 2.0 speeds can theoretically give you a max speed of 480 mbps or 48 meg but i never see speeds that good.

August 15, 2011 11:44 AM

It's always "fun" to hear people try to clear the air when it comes to transfer speeds megabytes to megabits. Man why all the confussion. Why can't things be easier. Sorry had to rant a little and say what everyone is thinking. Haha.

But seriously. Wireless can handle 54megabits per second standard. Which x8 gets you 6.75megabytes per second. Hard drives anywhich way are way faster. Internet in gereral top out around 6megabytes per sec on average. USB 2.0 claims to handle 60megabytes per sec.

I know when transferring from one computer to another trough wifi. I can almost top out the the wifi at 100% but on average but usually around 70% which is about 4.7megabytes per sec

August 15, 2011 11:50 AM

what external enclosure do you have? I am looking into buying one to attach to my Pogoplug pro.

by the way, i believe there is a SATA port built into the Pogoplug devices. however, to reveal it, you need to cut/mod the case and install a eSATA header. it;s not eSATA so no hotplugging and it will have to be connected and powered on to be visable. of course, this will void the warranty. don;t know if you need to mod the OS to run plugapps linux or if it will work fine with the built in OS.

August 15, 2011 11:54 AM updated: August 15, 2011 4:04 PM

the numbers they advertise is all marketing fluff.....

i speedtested a friends internet connection(time warner roadrunner) and he got 8 mbs down and .5 mbs upload. no wonder his outbound streaming is a little flaky.

August 15, 2011 1:41 PM

Oh I for got all about download to upload speeds.

Ok I had to check just before I posted this.

First of all I was backward on the megabits and megabyts on the att internet stuff. Both wifi trough iPhone and also LAN trough desktop I averaged 4.9megabits per sec down and .62megabits per sec up. And that came from speediest.com. That web page give what they call global averages too which mine is way low compared to the gobal.

The att web page advertises 6megabits down and 768kilobits upload at least that is what I have

Heck doing the windows task manager (networking tab). You can see what the LAN is doing and the wifi is doing and running the speed test at the Internets max is only at 10% of the LAN download capabilities and .6% of the upload capabilities

Even watching a movie from the pogoplug ( harddrive-pogoplug-LAN-router-desktop) in that order. The windows task manager (networking tab). It ran at around 8% continus.

So I guess that's why movies don't play out and about. The internet provider "AT&T" has some crappy upload speeds.

August 15, 2011 4:03 PM updated: August 15, 2011 4:04 PM

I don;t disagree-reason why we get crappy performance is partially due to low upload speeds. it could be fixed with better software-client side and pogoplug side but don;t know if that is likely considering there hasn;t been much updates on the server end in a while. I think the pogoplugs uses ffmpeg program/package to stream video and maybe there is updates that could make it perform better.

another thing people need to keep in mind, the Pogoplug is a media sharing device, not a NAS and especially not a fileserver. well maybe a very low power server. I used to run old Novell Servers on 386 and 486 computers and 8-16 mb of RAM. However, back then files weren;t nearly as large as they are now.

While others have co-opted it for heavier usage, sadly, it;s not really designed for it. it can do some amazing things(like run a webserver)on a miniscule amount of power especially if you mod it but heavy duty fileserving is not one of them.

in order to get my setup working a little better, I have been looking at USB/eSATA RAID enclosures connected to the hidden SATA port.

August 15, 2011 7:07 PM updated: August 15, 2011 7:07 PM

madman999 said: what external enclosure do you have? I am looking into buying one to attach to my Pogoplug pro.

  I currently have a probox 4 bay enclosure. I think I paid about $100 from newegg but I have seen ones on sale recently for less and including a raid card with it (which mine doesn't have).

To be clear here I am talking about my internal LAN network so I'm not sure why my internet speeds would be an issue but in any case I'm still not seeing anywhere near my 6 Mb/s that I have from comcast. Also I guess I should have been more clear when I said streaming I meant just playing my video files over my network by accessing the drive as anetwork drive not via the pogoplug interface.

August 16, 2011 8:53 AM

i access the drive via the pogodrive client and for copy operations, i seem to get true network speeds atleast to the USB connected 7200 rpm SATA drive. a little slower access to some attached flash drives for some reason. i would have thought the flash drives would work better but they don;t. unfortunately, maybe there is some incompatibility with your enclosure and the pogoplug that might explain the speed issue.

streaming on the other hand is a little trickier to measure. the nature of streaming is to use the ffmpeg engine to cut up the network traffic into smaller chunks that won;t saturate your bandwidth or capacity of your client and give you the dreaded "buffering" message. so in reality, while streaming you don;t want to see alot of traffic going across all at once but just enough for the picture to play smoothly in your video client. how does the videos look when streaming them? for some reason, the videos seem to look really good streamed from the web ui in Chrome via HTML5. tried streaming on other browsers that used flash and they stuttered and timed out.

about all I can suggest is for you to try different drives and maybe different clients. also, transcoding down the videos into MP4 format at a resolution your device can handle will help. I started out with unconverted AVI files and found a player that worked with my Android phone but after struggling with them, I noticed that it works "better" overall with MP4 files.

goodluck!

August 16, 2011 9:28 AM

another thought, try connecting your pogoplug and a pc to a gig switch to see if performance improves. if you are only on 100mb networking, you will top out at 8-12 mb per second. maybe your wifi router is an issue as well....

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