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rheemond

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Pogoplug is not spinning my hard drive down, ever.  My drive is overheating and is now on its last legs.  And I've only had it for a month!

What drive do you recommend that spins down on its own?  I only use the Drive Client, never the web interface.

This is my only gripe with Pogoplug, but if it's going to eat hard drives, its useless to me.  It is just overly frustrating to me because when the Pogo system worked, it was amazing.

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April 22, 2010 3:58 PM updated: March 11, 2011 9:51 AM

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April 22, 2010 4:05 PM

I have got same issue. My Western Digital passport 1tb drive got overheated
just by connecting after 4 days, accessing data may be once in two days just for 5 minutes.

Now I am ejecting drive once in a day. I believe if this is the case,
definitely portable drives get damaged. These drives are not to use with Pogoplug unless they have fan inside.

I am not sure wether you guys are going to take care or not.
Otherwise, I have to return my pogoplug as I am not able to use with my
WD passport drives.

I have connected two WD Passport drives (500gb, 1tb) and one simpletech simpleshare drive(500gb) all are getting overheated.

I believe POGOPLUG Support can fix it with some effort.
If people get frustrated with it, it is a damage for pogoplug.

April 22, 2010 4:13 PM updated: April 22, 2010 4:15 PM

320gb Iomega eGo USB external HD.

It gets hot to the touch, and as far as I can tell its always like that when attached to the Pogoplug.

Right now, Pogo isn't reading my drive. When I first set up the drive, it worked perfectly. After a few days, it got really slow, and eventually the drive would eject everytime I accessed the folder I shared. Shortly fter that the Pogo started flashing amber rapidly.

Pogo support advised to run Disk Utility and Repair Disk. Flashing Amber = error on disk.

Disk Utility couldn't repair and I had to reformat. So I did, and Pogo ran beautifully for a few days, maybe a week.

Then the problems started again... being unable to access my shared folders. So I turned everything off and let the HD sit for a day or two. I plugged it in today, and the amber light started flashing again. Right now my computer took a long long time, several minutes, to recognize the disk. It may not literally be on its last leg, but there is no way in my right mind I can continue to use this drive with the Pogo. I just know that if I keep this drive attached to the Pogo, it will continue to overheat.

I read through the Suggestions forum and know I'm not the only one having issues with Pogo overheating HDs.

Any thoughts?

April 22, 2010 5:43 PM

Hm, I had thought that this was controlled by the drive itself, not by the Pogoplug. I have a Maxtor OneTouch and it spins down automatically after a designated period of time. The only downside of this is that it takes a second to spin up when I attempt to access it via Pogoplug, but that's it.

One way or another, overheating drives are bad! I'll pass this on and see if anyone else has an idea of what might be going on, short of having you submit a support ticket.

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April 23, 2010 3:38 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:51 AM

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April 23, 2010 10:43 AM

I agree that this is probably controlled by the drive... but it would killer if the the entire Pogo itself was programmed to go into 'sleep mode,' therefore putting the drive to sleep in the process as well. Perhaps there should be an 'official' FAQ on this topic, advising on the issue and directing users towards certain HDs? I am trying to use this in a small business setting as a network drive, rather than actually setting up a server, and still be able to access these files while working from home. So I need to have this running 24/7.

Chris, thanks for the input! Definitely kicks my paranoia into high gear.... lol. The issue with me, though, is that this drive literally stops working and develops disk errors while in use with the Pogo. Putting me back at square one.. so Maxtor One Touch it is! The momentary delay is inevitable, I use the iDisk with my MobileMe account, it does the same thing.

April 23, 2010 11:47 AM

Does anybody else know of any HDs that will spin down automatically while using the drive client? What about buying a standard internal HD and dropping it into a case?

April 23, 2010 12:28 PM

Chris,

Drives may supposed to run for 5 years. But when I am using my WD 1TB Passport,
it is overheated in 4 days. I don't wait for warranty and don't want to go to company back as there is no point when I lose my valuable data.
(I may get a new drive...but it sucks).

Just check with any WD passport drive and schedule some operations lik
Transcoding then you can find yourself drive is overheated.

Strongly I feel that Pogoplug has to offer some feature to put drive to sleep mode. Whatever you are saying it doesn't offer any solution for overheated portable drives.

April 23, 2010 10:44 PM

I have a WD My Book Essentials 2TB drive that I purchased from Costco. It spins down automagicly. The WD software does have settings for configuring spin down timeout when connected to my PC directly. I assume that you need to configure the drive via the WD software connected to the PC directly and then those setting stick when moved to the Pogoplug. It is my understanding that the external WD drive runs some sort of Linux as well.

April 24, 2010 2:55 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:51 AM

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June 28, 2010 6:54 AM

Well, the spin-down of USB-drives is neither controlled by the hard disk itself nor by the Pogoplug. It is controlled by the chip in your external case. Unfortunately, not all HDD cases have a controller which shuts the disks down. And, unfortunately most cheap usb hdd cases completely lack a design to get rid of high temperatures.

I have two 400 GB drives which get really hot while running. But I was lucky and found an aluminum case which transports the heat very well and which shuts down the hard disk when it is not in use.
For people living in Europe or those oversees who want to spend a fortune on shipping, I suggest this usb drive case: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/412567/

I use that case on my pogoplug and I am very satisfied. Also available for SATA-Drives.

Inside is some chipset from "Initio".

June 28, 2010 7:50 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:51 AM

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June 28, 2010 8:14 AM

 I think you'll find that the SATA protocol includes provision for power management. In other words, the controller built into the drive is what fundamentally manages the sleep patterns of the drive. Linux understand this protocol, so a device like the Pogoplug would be able to, eg, set the interval between last use and power down -- if it were talking to the drive directly through the SATA interface.
The problem is that it isn't. Only your enclosure is doing this, and the connection between your enclosure and the Pogoplug is USB, which, AFAIK, has no standard for managing drive sleep. So does the enclosure chip power down the drive at some arbitary interval after use? How do you set this interval? How do you switch off this behaviour if you need the drive to be constantly on? -- Chris

It is, as far as I understand it, completely controlled by the chip which translates USB to IDE or SATA (whatever you use). This controller can tell the disk to spin down and wake up. The disk, in this case, still is powered up but not spinning. I do not see a way to control the interval here.

Another option would be to power down USB. This has the disadvantage that the contact to the USB-Drive would be lost.

October 7, 2010 9:50 PM

The way to check if Pogoplug suppose to spin down your drive is to disconnect it (USB)
from your Pogoplug or whatever you have it plugged into.
I noticed with my three drives did not spin down unless they were connected to the computer. When connected to the Pogoplug they did not spin down.
Try it yourself. Does your drive spin down when not connected via USB ?
This must mean the Pogoplug does not have any control built in to spin down a connected drive,
while the computer has a USB control to the drive's spin mode.

October 7, 2010 9:55 PM

The way to check if Pogoplug suppose to spin down your drive is to disconnect it (USB)
from your Pogoplug or whatever you have it plugged into.
I noticed with my three drives did not spin down unless they were connected to the computer. When connected to the Pogoplug they did not spin down.
Try it yourself. Does your drive spin down when not connected via USB ?
This must mean the Pogoplug does not have any control built in to spin down a connected drive,
while the computer has a USB control to the drive's spin mode.

November 12, 2010 7:00 AM

I have the same problems.
I tried 3 different usb disks and all were spinning all the time.
Even after hours they keep on spinning.
They get very hot and i am afraid it will shorten its life-time.

Can you tell me what to do else I will not use the pogoplug.

Thanks for any answers

December 8, 2010 6:00 PM

same here

my WD 1TB drive wont spin down, not even over night when my computer is completely shutdown.

pogoplug: help us on this one

January 5, 2011 5:48 AM

I use flash drives for most of my systems except for my Pro which I use WD usb for Time Machine Backup. I am using Optware on this, so I use one of the packages, sdparm to spin down the hard drive. The command is "sdparm --command=stop /dev/sdb" (or /dev/whatever it is on your system). It will not spin again until there is a drive access or the command "sdparm --command=start /dev/sdb" is given. The page that has the sdparm information is http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/SpinDownUSBHarddisks about 2/3 of the way down the page. The only problem may be that the web site may poll the drive once in a while and spin up the drive.

January 6, 2011 5:15 AM updated: January 6, 2011 5:16 AM

I hope people read this link ( http://www.samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq ) that was at the top of the page of the link in the previous post. I actually use the spin down in my shutdown script (terminates processes, sync, unmount the drives) when I halt the system before powering off. Works well.

January 9, 2011 1:53 PM updated: January 9, 2011 1:54 PM

I attached a 2 year old La Cie 500gb drive to my pogoplug. Here's what I can tell:

1. When attached to the pogoplug, the drive will not spin down after 24 hours, but if I go to the web setting and eject it, it will spin down immediately.
2. When attached to a computer (Mac), it will spin down, probably somwhere between 15-30 minutes, when I try to access the drive it will spin up again.
3. When attached to an Apple Time Capsule (current version) and use the drive as an air disk, the drive will spin down after a few minutes after accessing to it.
4. When the drive is not attaching to anything the drive will spin down.

I am not a developer, but from what I have seen, this is highly likely a pogo plug issue (may be with specific drives). I also have a WD 2TB attached to the time capsule, but I am not going to risk the data in it to test it with the pogo plug. (I had bad data lost experience a year ago with pogo plug when I tested it, I shelved the pogo plug until now to see if the new firmware is more trustworthy).

January 10, 2011 4:16 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:52 AM

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January 10, 2011 6:49 AM

Ok Chris,
Item 1, 4, and 7 seem to be in contradiction Item 2. The commands sdparm and especially hdparm have been around and known to the Linux community. Some USB sata controllers emulate scsi well enough to recognize the command set. Contrary to the theme of this topic, most use the command to keep the drive spinning to eliminate spin-up time when they access the drive. They are not a universal solution since they only work with certain controllers (if your drive already parks itself after a certain interval then no problem). I have a USB WD sata controller and when I issue the sdparm command, it is immediate and gives me status information (plus you can hear it, feel it, and the access light status is a giveaway). I don't use the web interface much, only when I travel so my system is not polled otherwise. The pogoplug developers have to have a way of updating the status of the drive on their web site, so they poll the drive (probably at regular intervals) which if it was parked will cause it to spin up. It would be nice for one of the cloud engines developer to respond to this.
Finally the actual solution for those here is in item 1 of JimmyC and eject it. Also, you have to make sure that a client computer is not performing a read/write operation within the interval. Basically, don't blame the plug if another system is accessing it. It is not a firmware problem because after 5 minutes my drive spins down since the web interface is not getting status, until Time Machine or another application accesses it.

'Nuff said?

January 10, 2011 7:07 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:52 AM

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January 10, 2011 7:46 AM

The sdparm command does support spindown, depending on the drive controller. Nowhere in the sdparm docs/man pages negate this. It does not require the umount command. When I issue the command, it is immediate (not any automate spindown time). No magic bits flying from the plug to the controller around the usb interface.

January 10, 2011 7:52 AM updated: March 11, 2011 9:52 AM

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